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  2016-2-17-Destroy Previous S-77 Forms!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  these numbers and letters:--gbr659967--are the only identifying markson this boe..the "informant" who sent it said:.

  "this letter came through the congregation inbox and so hasn't got theusual identifying information.

  the name of the file is probably thebest way to identify it.

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  Sugar Shane

  WTF is up with all this 'secret squirrel' bullshit?!

  I'm not a JW, so from my perspective, it seems like they view themselves as equal, or similar to a government agency. What a crock! I have filled out various government forms in the past, such as the US Nat'l Agency Questionnaire, and other forms for civil service. My employment has not required a confidential or above security clearance, but I'm pretty familiar with the screening process.

  The distinction is, that these Gov't forms actually mean something, and they carry the weight of the law-- such as when you file your taxes.

  These JW elders, and their higher ranking members seem convinced that their little system of forms and BOE letters equates to some kind of official, important, high-level, secret correspondence. Maybe that's the case within their little fishbowl. But, for those of us on the outside looking in, it just looks pathetic.
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  less than an hour old:.

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Sugar Shane

  My only point is that in the US, as any other church does (good or bad), the WT is entitled to church/ penitent privilege based on present SC interpretation of the 1st Amendment.

  ....above quote from Fisherman.

  Can you please cite a US Supreme Court decision, or interpretation which holds that the Jehovah's Witnesses system of judicial committees actually qualifies as clergy/penitent privilege? Or, have the JWs recently adopted a Catholic-styled, one-on-one clergy/penitent system?

  i was under the impression that the SC had previously interpreted clergy/penitent privilege as being an act of confession, held privately between two individuals: the penitent, and clergyman. Also, I believe that similar language exists in the Federal Rules of Evidence. Furthermore, I had always thought that the Jehovah's Witnesses do not consider themselves to even HAVE a clergy-class to begin with! I'm not a JW, but this non-clergy distinction has been made to me before on many occasions, by JWs with whom I've met.

  I'm only asking, not attacking. Thanks.
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  less than an hour old:.

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Sugar Shane

  Less than an hour old:

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/
  
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  JW elder in Oklahoma, USA...now in JAIL!

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ronald lawrence has been in the news before, though it was believed that the statute of limitations would keep him from being charged as a criminal.

  i stumbled across this the other day.

  trey bundy did a report on one of ronald's victims, but it looks as though more have stepped forward since.

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  Sugar Shane

  AndersonInfo, thanks for the clarification.

  Also, thanks to former victim/s for chiming in. It's gotta be hard recounting that experience. I have kids of my own, so hearing this stuff just pisses me off to no end. Just stay strong please. I love 'Okies,' and that's unconditional. My grandparents were from Checotah & I spent many a summer on Lake Eufala.

  I hope the former victims have an Irwin Zalkin, or similar, on their side.

  Peace out, SS
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  JW elder in Oklahoma, USA...now in JAIL!

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ronald lawrence has been in the news before, though it was believed that the statute of limitations would keep him from being charged as a criminal.

  i stumbled across this the other day.

  trey bundy did a report on one of ronald's victims, but it looks as though more have stepped forward since.

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  Sugar Shane

  Cool, I'm in!
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  JW elder in Oklahoma, USA...now in JAIL!

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ronald lawrence has been in the news before, though it was believed that the statute of limitations would keep him from being charged as a criminal.

  i stumbled across this the other day.

  trey bundy did a report on one of ronald's victims, but it looks as though more have stepped forward since.

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  Sugar Shane

  Ronald Lawrence has been in the news before, though it was believed that the statute of limitations would keep him from being charged as a criminal.

  I stumbled across this the other day. Trey Bundy did a report on one of Ronald's victims, but it looks as though more have stepped forward since. This, in turn, must gave gotten the attention of law enforcement, who investigated, and found him guilty on nineteen (19) counts of abuse!! This broadcast is from last fall, as far as I can tell. I could be wrong, but hopefully someone from that area knows more about the case.

  I'm not a JW, but I know those who are. So, I guess I don't have a dog in this fight, in a direct sense. Despite this, I get mad as hell hearing about all the abuse and attemtps to cover it up.

  If I were in this part of the USA, and a former JW, or a current 'thinking JW,' then I would send this link to any and all current JWs that I could. Even if it meant using an anonymous email account. Give 'em a day to click the link, then send a follow-up email, with something like,"apostate driven lies, MY ASS!!"

  Hell, if any of you want to PM me with some emails, then I will send it off for you!! Just might take me a while to get to it, because I work alot.

  Here's the link, now get off these discussion boards and DO SOMETHING about this! Hell, you might even send this link to news outlets in nearby cities. I'm guessing Tulsa? Okla. City? I'll bet they'd like to sink their teeth into this, in light of the assemblies, ect. which are hosted in these larger cities:

  http://youtu.be/S5ZCpnEpcj8
  
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  Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.

  flock to the nearest k.h.

  for a time.. on the other hand ,.

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  Sugar Shane

  ...and back to my earlier point, everyone who sees that vid, needs to send the link to every JW you know. Set up an anonymous email if you must. They need to be 'beat over the head' with REAL accurate knowledge. IMO
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  Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.

  flock to the nearest k.h.

  for a time.. on the other hand ,.

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  Sugar Shane

  Great points, Stonewall!

  Whenever they speak of ISIS atrocities being a sign of the end, I remind them of all the Russians, or Poles killed in WW2.

  This vid is a MUST-watch. It compares, in a most vivid way, the losses then, to now. A couple of JWs were recently telling me about ISIS, ect., and the "end of the wicked system..." I sent them THIS, and they've been awfully silent over the past few days:

  http://youtu.be/_vjj13l6Pb4
  
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  Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.

  flock to the nearest k.h.

  for a time.. on the other hand ,.

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  Sugar Shane

  He's right, no such word exists, MMAUB

  At least my rant makes a helluva lot more sense than that terribly written & misquoting Bible 'Teach' book you use. What a waste of paper. At least they could put in on a roller so I could mount it next to my toilet.
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  Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.

  flock to the nearest k.h.

  for a time.. on the other hand ,.

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  Sugar Shane

  From the outside looking in, the ex-JWs have a very legitimate reason to wish this cult would go away. I'll put it bluntly though, you guys and gals need to get better organized and get the word out there. Get your damn shit together once and for all!

  A few months ago, someone had the bright idea of writing in mass 'dis-associate' letters to your respective Kingdom Halls. It seemed like a good idea, with many on board, then it just fizzled out. The highway billboard was a clever idea, but you need to keep it up, for Crissakes.

  Coming on sites like this, and ranting is ok, but after a certain point it's wasted energy. Like the old Elvis song, you need "A little less conversation & a little more ACTION."

  Some ex-JWs put up their own Youtube videos, which is good, but many are pretty amatuerish and sloppy. Many of the commenters look like they just woke up, or are sitting in their basement. It seems like the only ones watching them are ex-JWs and maybe a few curious JWs. Here's an idea, start your own EX-JWTV.ORG!! How f-ing hard can it be?!? You just need to get organized and decide whose doing what. Hell, if small, podunk towns can put together a local news studio to make the 'farm & market' report, surely you can come up with SOMETHING besides relying on the Trey Bundy's of the world to do all the legwork.

  Oh, and speaking of smaller cities and towns, do you realize that most local news outlets have a special segment for people who have been wronged/scammed/fleeced/injured in some way? These outlets would probably be tickled to do a story on the JWs pedo problem. Just send them all the news clippings and links! Tell them to simply Google the term Jehovah's Witness, then hit the 'news' icon. Almost all the results are about the ABUSE!! Now try the same thing with....Baptist Church (for example). Barely anything on them. Maybe one story that sounds adverse, but no pedos.

  C'mon people...DO SOMETHING!! Are the after-effects of having been JWs hindering you from acting? Seriously, I haven't been a JW, so it's an honest question, and not meant to insult.

  Peace out, SS